(Overtime audio available to paid subscribers through the player at the top of the page and video version available below the paywall.)
1:23 Susan’s new book, Overreach: How China Derailed Its Peaceful Rise
7:00 China’s turn to more assertive policies in 2007
15:02 The well-intentioned reform that produced big authoritarian consequences
24:52 How public opinion influences autocratic leaders
31:25 Xi Jinping’s purge of suspect officials
41:24 Does Beijing feel threatened by America?
47:52 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Susan Shirk (University of California San Diego, Overreach). Recorded October 23, 2023.