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Elon v. OpenAI, Google vs Itself (Robert Wright & Timothy B. Lee)

Elon v. OpenAI, Google vs Itself (Robert Wright & Timothy B. Lee)


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0:00 The other Tim B. Lee
2:48 Unpacking the Elon v. OpenAI case
13:36 How did Google’s Gemini go wrong?
24:56 The unsung ingenious side of Gemini
34:11 Is AI a bubble?
38:25 Are some LLM issues insoluble?
44:11 How Sora changes the AI picture
50:44 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Timothy B. Lee (Full Stack Economics, Understanding AI). Recorded March 6, 2024.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Are LLMs general learning machines? Are human minds?
6:44 The Darwinian dynamics of machine learning
13:37 How to conceptualize how LLMs conceptualize
20:04 Is digital technology’s impact on society overstated?

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