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GPT-4o, AI Companions, and the Metaverse (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)

GPT-4o, AI Companions, and the Metaverse (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)


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0:59 Bob’s sage status rises
3:54 GPT-4o: harbinger of the Metaverse?
13:29 Does sentience matter for AI companionship?
25:24 The promise and perils of social AI
33:22 How LLMs flip the script on computing
38:41 Heading to Overtime—and a special announcement!

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded May 20, 2024.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 AI and porn (through an evo-psych lens)
13:04 Is sex passé?
20:11 Google’s new AI-boosted search; Bob’s and Paul’s SEO prowess
27:20 Are the OpenAI resignations really a bad sign for AI safety?
31:21 Bob and Paul compare their p(doom)s
43:25 Sci-fi TV to see (and skip)

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