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Human Agency vs "Agentic” AI (Robert Wright & Kanjun Qiu)
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Human Agency vs "Agentic” AI (Robert Wright & Kanjun Qiu)

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0:00 Intro
0:37 Kanjun’s role as CEO of AI research lab Imbue
2:21 Worrying about a “Wall-E world”
13:08 Building human-centric AI agents
21:41 How far away is truly “agentic” AI?
31:36 The road to AI serfdom
40:18 Does the AI revolution call for a psychological revolution?
45:00 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Kanjun Qiu (Imbue). Recorded January 15, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Kanjun’s adventures in co-living
3:37 Thinking through “chain-of-thought” reasoning
6:51 Kanjun: Takeoff has already begun
11:35 Are we handling AI advancement intelligently?
25:21 AI and enlightenment

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