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Reckoning with China (Robert Wright & Edward Wong)

Reckoning with China (Robert Wright & Edward Wong)


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0:00 Edward’s new book, At the Edge of Empire: A Family’s Reckoning with China
3:41 What Americans get wrong about China
13:09 Humiliation and China’s national psychology
17:14 Why Edward’s father joined the People’s Liberation Army
25:59 How Edward’s father fell out of favor with the PLA
37:15 How draconian is Xi Jinping’s crackdown on Uyghurs?
43:56 Famine, purges, and alienation in Mao’s China
49:04 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Edward Wong (The New York Times, At the Edge of Empire). Recorded June 18, 2024.


Overtime titles:

0:00 How Edward’s parents got to the USA
5:46 Are the US and China creeping toward war?
22:02 Does Beijing want to spread autocracy globally?
33:21 Why can’t the US and China rule the world together?

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