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The Open Source AI Question (Robert Wright & Nathan Labenz)

The Open Source AI Question (Robert Wright & Nathan Labenz)


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0:00 Nathan’s role as “AI scout”
3:39 What "open source" in AI really means
9:17 Why the secrecy around AI training data?
16:51 What’s actually “open” about OpenAI?
32:28 The case for and against open source AI
42:07 Is an open source crackdown coming?
51:57 What Waymark, Nathan’s company, does with AI

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nathan Labenz (Cognitive Revolution, Waymark AI). Recorded March 13, 2024.


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Overtime titles:

0:00 Bob glimpses a Matrix-like future
4:34 Could (and should) we use AI to resolve human disputes?
9:47 Where Nathan falls on the AI doomer spectrum
22:50 Understanding how AI understands things
32:22 Is AI alignment overblown?

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